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		<title>The Real Demographic Threat in Israel: Ultra-Orthodox taking over the Knesset</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Asher Lopatin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who reads this blog is almost certainly horrified by the violence, hatred and downright nastiness of the Ultra-Orthodox terrorists who are so cowardly that they are trying to intimidate the Dati Le&#8217;umi, Religious Zionist community by attacking their children going to school. But we need to recognize that because of the current system of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=1113&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who reads this blog is almost certainly horrified by the violence, hatred and downright nastiness of the Ultra-Orthodox terrorists who are so cowardly that they are trying to intimidate the Dati Le&#8217;umi, Religious Zionist community by attacking their children going to school.  But we need to recognize that because of the current system of government in Israel, nothing can happen while the Chareirdi, Ultra Orthodox have so much power in the Knesset because of their organizational skills and sheer numbers.  Moreover, with their huge birthrate &#8211; thank God for more Jews! &#8211; they are going to have more influence in the years to come, not less.</p>
<p>So it is time to reconsider something that some of my Right wing friends are suggesting: Israel should annex &#8211; unilaterally if need be &#8211; the West Bank, Yehuda and Shomron, and give the 1.7 million Arabs living there the vote.  That will throw off the demographic strenglehold of the Chareidi parties by shaking up the make-up of the Knesset.  No doubt many of those Arabs will vote for the Leftist, more secular parties.  In addition, to deal with the imbalance of Arab votes, Israel should open the gates to more Jew-ish people from Africa and South America and combine them with the Jew-ish people from the former FSU to build a fire-wall against the Chareidi Ultra-Orthodox parties.  The Ultra-Orthodox will not embrace these Jews or quasi Jews from Nigeria and Unganda &#8211; in fact, the Conservative world has done more to reach out to them than anyone else.  So we will have the perfect balance in Israel to recalibrate and minimize the power of the Ultra Orthodox world and restore Israel to the &#8220;status quo&#8221; that existed in the early decades of the State, when Shlomo Goren and much more tolerant and Zionist religious Jews dominated the Jewish scene.  This is not a joke: Israel, in my mind, is suffering from forms of xenophobia that are keeping the United States back as well, when we compare it to the growth and success of Australia and Canada which have successfully allow immigrant populations to provide diversity and balance.</p>
<p>I welcome the conversation&#8230;</p>
<p>Rabbi Asher Lopatin</p>
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		<title>Halacha as Business-My Take on the Rotem Bill-By Rabbi Hyim Shafner</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hyim Shafner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The recent (now tabled)  bill submitted to the Kenesset by MK Rotem expands the range of whom under law in Israel has the authority to perform conversions, and in addition severely limits anyone’s ability to retroactively undo a conversion performed in Israel. The bill was formulated by Israel Baytenu, a non-religious party, to facilitate the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=567&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent (now tabled)  bill submitted to the Kenesset by MK Rotem expands the range of whom under law in Israel has the authority to perform conversions, and in addition severely limits anyone’s ability to retroactively undo a conversion performed in Israel.</p>
<p>The bill was formulated by Israel Baytenu, a non-religious party, to facilitate the conversions of hundreds of thousands of Russian Jews who are Jewish enough to make Aliyah, (they are defined as a Jew according to the Nuremberg laws) yet are not halachically Jewish, such as someone with a paternal grandfather or father who is Jewish.   That the handful of more liberal rabbis of cities who are part of the Rabbanut (but who until this point were either unable to do conversions or the conversions they did do were undone by their more religiously rightwing counterparts) can help to solve the gargantuan dilemma of so many Jewish people who can not under law marry in their own country, is wonderful.</p>
<p>What did this secular party have to offer the other side, the Charedi Rabbanut, in exchange for the possibility of Russian Jews who are not fully observant converting without having their conversions subsequently undone?   The answer of course, as with all things political, is power.  In exchange, the Rabbanut will be the arbiter of all questions of Jewish status.   This possibility has caused the Reform and Conservative movements to become up in arms, at the future possibility that their conversions will no longer be accepted under law for purposes of Aliyah as they are now.   Weather this new bill will effect the ability of someone born of a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother to make Aliyah (that is who is a Jew based on whom Hitler would have killed) is not clear to me.  I have heard different answers to the question.</p>
<p>Maybe I am naïve but what bothers me most about the bill is the reduction of Halachic concerns to the level of a business dealings.   Give us the Russians and in exchange you can have the Conservative and Reform….etc.   If Charedi Rabbis really believe that the conversion of the Russians is outside the bounds of halacha, why are they willing to go along with the bill in exchange for more exclusive power over the definition of who is a Jew?   Practice is then not based on one’s intellectual assessment of halacha but on a political negotiation, which gives something, in this case more jurisdiction, in exchange for halachic compromise.</p>
<p>The beauty of a Jewish country should be that Jewish attitudes and halchic concerns inform all the workings of the state, from the lofty to the mundane.  But this should not work the other way around.  Though Judaism should, I believe, influence politics in Israel, when the opposite is true and politics influences Judaism and Halacha we are going down an appalling path.   Instead of Torah sanctifying the mundane it quickly becomes, in the words of our rabbis, <em>deker lachkor bah</em>, a shovel to dig with.   The mundane sullying Torah.   May the holiness of torah and its ethical and religious teachings color all aspects of life in the holy land and not itself become low, speedily in our days.</p>
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		<title>Take Back the Kotel Part II: Open Up Robinson&#8217;s Arch by Rabbi Asher Lopatin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Asher Lopatin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The easiest way to allow all who want to daven (pray) at the Western Wall - Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist or other - is to allow anyone who wants to enter the Robinson's Arch part of the Western Wall - the southernmost end - for free, 24 hours a day, no reservation needed.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=472&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take Back the Kotel Part II: Give Us Robinson’s Arch!</p>
<p>We’ve talked about problems at the Kotel before, and the incident of a woman putting a tallit on and being arrested – or “detained” – for that mitzvah has certainly raised awareness that something has to be done.  Rabbi Helbraun, a Reform rabbi in Northbrook, IL, put it well when he asked Effy Eitam how they could explain to the children of their shul that while they encourage boys and girls to put on tallitot and t’fillin – in this Reform shul! – they need to know that they can be arrested for doing so in the Jewish state!  But I want to suggest an easy solution to the issues at the Kotel: Open up the Robinson’s Arch area of the Kotel for free to all who want to pray there, celebrate there, even just to meditate there.</p>
<p>Robinson’s Arch is a dramatic part of the Western Wall – actually the southern part of the Kotel Hama’aravi – as opposed to the “other” wall area, the Western Wall plaza, which is the south-central part of the Kotel Hama’aravi.  It was excavated since the reunification of Jerusalem in 1967, and I remember they were working on it forever in the 1970’s and 1980’s.  Now it is part of the Davidson Center – a museum that charges money for entry, unless special arrangements are made.  I am not asking for free admission to the wonderful exhibits underground that are uniquely part of the this museum.  What I am calling for is for free, 24 hour access by anyone who wants, to the above ground parts of the Wall.  It is our national heritage, and we should not be denied access.  We have a right to the Western wall and the Southern wall which the area includes as well.</p>
<p>Sources tell me that the Masorati movement, the Conservative movement in Israel, has rights to it – I’m not sure, but that’s what I’ve heard from a few sources.  Maybe the Israel antiquities authority has some control over it.  However, to the best of my knowledge the Rabbinate or Religious authority of the Kotel does NOT have control over it.  That’s why now, people can have B’nai Mitzvas there however they daven, and women can read Torah there.  But that is only in limited ways, and I have heard that you can’t bring tables or chairs there – everything that makes a Bar or Bat Mitzvah in the main part of the Kotel – to the north – feasible and more substantial.  And if a group of Reform tourists or from the local Reform shul – Kol Haneshama – ended up there on Shabbat after a stroll around the walls on Shabbat, they couldn’t just go in and daven.  In fact, I don’t know if you can go in at all on Shabbat morning!  I am calling not for freedom at the “old” Western Wall; I am calling to open the “real” Western Wall – the Southern Bend of the Western Wall!</p>
<p>Yes, in an ideal world the religious authorities and the government would be pluralistic and would allow all sorts of davening, even in different sections, at the main plaza of the Kotel.  But until that moment comes, we have something we should be able to do right now: Open up Robinson’s Arch to all davening, all the time.  If you come from Dung gate, it where many of the buses leave you off, it is actually the first “Kotel” you see: people don’t even have to know that there is a Wall where women get arrested for wearing a tallit or pelted for reading a … Torah!  At the real wall, you can daven how you want to daven, and there are wonderful areas for different groups to gather and celebrate.  But we need the cooperation of the Masorati movement, or the Davidson family, or whoever controls Robinson’s Arch!   Maybe would could ask the Davidson family to endow this area for davening, so that the museum would not lose out on their dues.  One way or another, we can easily open up this place of t’filla.</p>
<p>So on this one I say, don’t blame the chareidim!  We don’t need that frum, restricted, non-inclusive wall.  We already have a Wall, a genuine, dramatic Western Wall, where we can have everyone daven the way they want to.  Let’s use it and let others use it.</p>
<p>Open Up Robinson’s Arch!  Let Us Pray!  Let Us Wear Our Tallitot!  Let Us Read Our Torah! Let Us All, Men and Women, Sing Hallel Out Loud!</p>
<p>And I would not be surprised if soon enough the people who put t’fillin on at the other Wall, will come to the new, inclusive Wall, and the men and women will be waiting outside the new Wall for our tzedaka, and people can start putting notes in the new Wall, and we can start bringing Barbara Streisand and any other celebrity or politician to the new Wall.  Let’s continue to fight the good fight for separation of government from religion, but in the meantime let’s make sure that anyone who wants to daven to Hashem, in any way, has a way to do it at the Wall.  As the famous telegram said in June 1967,  “HaKotel Biyadeinu” –“The Kotel is in our hands!”  Indeed it is , we just have to open it up to all.</p>
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		<title>Innovation in Halacha &#8211; Rabbi Barry Gelman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Gelman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our tag line – Morethodoxy: Exploring the Breadth Depth and Passion Of Orthodox Judaism means different things to different people. For me, it is a call to educate the Morethodox public, and others, about the fundamental ideas of Modern Orthodox Judaism. One of the foundations of Modern Orthodoxy is that the Torah does not have [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=355&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our tag line – Morethodoxy: Exploring the Breadth Depth and Passion Of Orthodox Judaism means different things to different people. For me, it is a call to educate the Morethodox public, and others, about the fundamental ideas of Modern Orthodox Judaism. One of the foundations of Modern Orthodoxy is that the Torah does not have a limited warranty. The reform movement essentially clams that the rituals of the Torah does not speak to the modern Jew and are unnecessary to live a full Jewish life. <strong>On the other hand, certain segments of the Orthodox community believe that (or act as if) when it comes to ritual and practical halacha there is no room for the Torah to expand to incorporate modern sensibilities and concerns. <span id="more-355"></span></strong></p>
<p>Below is part of the introduction to the book of Responsa entitled Dor Rivii written by Rabbi Moshe Shmuel Glassner. The biographical information below a well as the English translation of the text is taken from an article written by Rabbi Yaakov Elman for Tradition magazine, 25(3), Spring 1991, pp. 63-69.</p>
<p>This work serves as an important theoretical basis for some of the practices that some in the Modern Orthodox world innovated. Often the claim again such innovations (women dancing with the Torah, pain blockers administered before a bris, including a mother’s name in a ketubah, double ring ceremony) is that they are not part of the mesorah(tradition) and that 100 years ago they were not practiced by pious Jews. Rabbi Glasner teaches that a Torah scholar “can derive totally new insights which were never [apprehended] before…”</p>
<p>Rabbi Moses Samuel Glasner (1856-1924), an only son of Rabbi Avraham Glasner and a great grandson of the Hatam Sofer through his mother, Raizel (a daughter of the Hatam Sofer&#8217;s oldest daughter Hindel), was born in Pressberg, and later moved with his family to Klausenburg, where his father served as rabbi. The younger Glasner succeeded his father as rabbi in 1878, serving in that capacity until his move to Jerusalem in 1923. In Jerusalem, he was involved in Mizrachi educational activities during the last year-and-a-half of his life. …</p>
<p>&#8220;For just as in natural science a person produces innovations with his intelligence and understanding based on old principles, so too with the science of our holy Torah. As Hazal say, &#8220;if you hear the old, you will hear the new. &#8220;The intent is that one who incessantly occupies himself with the Torah that is with us of old and &#8220;kills himself over it&#8221; can derive totally new insights which were never [apprehended] before; it is in this sense that Hazal said that &#8220;the Holy One, blessed be He, showed Moses all that an experienced disciple would in future times innovate [in Torah],&#8221;commandments &#8221; [the principle] that from that time [of the completion of the Torah as described in Deut. 31:24, even] a prophet may not innovate anything&#8211;this refers only to adding to, or subtracting from it, but permission is given to every authorized court [of ordained sages] to interpret it and derive new laws.</p>
<p>Thus, whoever has due regard for the truth will conclude that the reason the [proper] interpretation of the Torah was transmitted orally and forbidden to be written down was not to make [the Torah] unchanging and not to tie the hands of the sages of every generation from interpreting Scripture according to their understanding. Only in this way can the eternity of Torah be understood [properly], for the changes in the generations and their opinions, situation and material and moral condition requires changes in their laws, decrees and improvements. Rather, the truth is that this [issues from] the wonderful wisdom [and] profound insight of the Torah, [which teaches] that the interpretation of Torah [must be] given over to the sages of each generation in order that the Torah remain a living force with the nation, developing with it, and that indeed is its eternity. In this way may we understand correctly the wording of the blessing &#8220;Who gave us a Torah of truth and implanted in us eternal life,&#8221; which the Tur interprets as follows: &#8220;a Torah of truth&#8221; refers to the Written Torah and &#8220;eternal life&#8221; refers to the Oral Torah (Orah Hayyim 138, see Shulhan Arukh thereto).</p>
<p>[The author of] Midirash Shmuel on Ethics of the Fathers (chapter 1, s.v. &#8220;Make a fence for the Torah&#8221;) makes the same point in this way: &#8220;And therefore [the Tanna] says that this Torah was handed over to Joshua to do with it as he wished, making right left and left right according to the time and place [R. Glasner's emphasis]; in all this it is his, to do with as he wishes, and so too was it handed over to the Elders, etc. and this is one of the reasons that the Oral Torah was not written down but given to the Great Court to do with as it wished [R. Glasner's emphasis].”</p>
<p>When they contradict that which was [accepted as true until then, their new interpretation becomes the true one [for their generation]; so have we been commanded by Him, may He be blessed, that we &#8220;should not depart from the thing (the sages of that generation) tell us either to the right or left&#8221; &#8211;even if they uproot that which was agreed upon until now. This too is what they intended when they said &#8220;Both these and these are the word of the LivingGod . . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.” Below is a quote from Rabbi Glasner as to how halachik innovators were treated in his time. &#8220;If one man be found who wishes to remove the thorns and weed the [garden], he is adjudged a rebellious elder, and, God forbid, as one who cuts down the shoots&#8221; [= a heretic]. In this way the land is filled with hypocritical flattery in which [each one] suppresses [his sincere] opinions because of the power of those who are willing to use force and intimidation against whoever opposes them&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Appreciating the P&#8217;sak of  Rav Elyashiv, sh&#8221;lita, by Rabbi Asher Lopatin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a lot of misguided criticism of the “anti-Croc” p’sak of Rav Elyashiv two weeks ago before Yom HaKipurim, when the great Ashkenazic sage and halachik authority suggested that people not wear comfortable Croc shoes on Yom Kippur, even though they are not leather a do not violate the letter of the law – the prohibition of wearing leather shoes.  Some on the left and even in the right might view this negatively as part of the “chumra of the month” club.  But if they do, they are missing out on two important aspects of Rav Elyashiv’s p’sak,  which give important direction to all Jews, and certainly for passionately committed Morethodox Jews.<br />
First, Rav Elyashiv was careful to distinguish between the halacha itself, which allowed any non-leather shoes, even comfortable ones like Crocs, and his personal opinion, his “gut” feeling, as it were, that it was in keeping with the atmosphere of Yom Kippur which is about being a little less comfortable – and fancy and trendy, I may add – than usual.   Frankly, the subtlety of Rav Elyashiv’s p’sak is rarely seen in Centrist Orthodox  or even in Modern Orthodox p’sak, where everything that is prohibited has to be a Torah violation, or a rabbinic decree going back 2000 years.  Rav Elyashiv evinces confidence – reminiscent of Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt”l &#8211; that he can suggest something without needing to back it up from Sinai.<br />
Second, Rav Elyashiv is willing to break from the status quo.  He is willing to be creative – though it is to be machmir, to restrict, in this case – and to think outside the box.  Just because we have always focused on whether a shoe is leather or not, doesn’t mean that that is the only criterion to think about on Yom Kippur.  This is refreshing creativity that I believe appears frequently in chareidi p’sak.  Again, it is usually used to restrict, and sometimes in an almost cruel manner  as in the case of retroactively nullifying a get – a divorce – that the court granted, however, at least a great Torah sage is willing to say something new, something unheard of in a previous generation.  That should be a hallmark of the halachik process, and it means all the more coming from a frum posek, and a revered chareidi leader such as Rav Elyashiv, sh’lita.<br />
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Rav Elyashiv realizes that Yom Hakippurim, as any holiday or halachik practice, needs to be meaningful.  The restriction on wearing leather needs to mean something: and in Rav Elyashiv’s opinon, wearing comfortable, cool shoes which many people prefer to leather shoes anyway, takes away from the meaning of Yom Hakippurim – to afflict your selves (nafshoteichem).  Morethodoxy needs to learn from Rav Elyashiv and be on the forefront of reading Torah and halacha in a way that gives meaning to Jewish practice, rather than turning it into an ossified, bizarre tradition.  For Rav Elyashiv, afflicting yourselves, and not wearing leather shoes, is a living tradition – part of the Living Covenant that Rabbi David Hartman writes about so eloquently.<br />
Not that Rav Elyashiv, sh’lita, needs my approval, but I hope someone tells him that somewhere in galus, in the city that didn’t get the Olympics, is a Morethodox rabbi who is inspired by his p’sak, a rabbi who wore uncomfortable canvas shoes all of Yom Hakippurim.<br />
May we continue to be inspired by our great leaders to continue to see the meaning, creativity and relevance of the Torah and Mitzvot that God gave us.</p>
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		<title>Taking a Critical View at Modern Orthodoxy, by Rabbi Asher Lopatin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabbi Asher Lopatin calls for Modern Orthodoxy to embrace Torah halachic rigor and fidelity to tradition as the third pillar of contemporary Orthodox Judaism. Friends, A few weeks ago I started outlining what I see as five pillars of contemporary Orthodox Judaism. I am not trying to displace the Maimonidian 13 principles of faith, nor [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=217&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbi Asher Lopatin calls for Modern Orthodoxy to embrace Torah halachic rigor and fidelity to tradition as the third pillar of contemporary Orthodox Judaism.</p>
<p>Friends,</p>
<p>A few weeks ago I started outlining what I see as five pillars of contemporary Orthodox Judaism.  I am not trying to displace the Maimonidian 13 principles of faith, nor the four principles of Rav Yosef Albo.  I’m just trying to point out what I think are the key ingredients in being an Orthodox Jew today &#8211; and in maintaining our way of life for the future.  The past few weeks have been particularly difficult, at least in the media, for our Chareidi brothers and sisters, and I have certainly done my share to point out the challenges I believe they face in working to sanctify God’s name.  However, we Morethodox Jews have to look inwards as well, and I think the third pillar of Orthodoxy might serve also as a critique of Modern Orthodox Jews &#8211; at least in the way we normally see ourselves.  The other two principles, Torah from Sinai and Innovation (Chiddush) from Sinai, are great rallying cries for Modern Orthodoxy.  But now #3:</p>
<p>Intellectual and halachic rigor and discipline:  When we closely observe our detailed laws of Kashrut, of davening, coming to minyan and making sure there is a minyan in our communities,  of kavana (concentration, focus) in our davening , of the Shabbat, as it is expressed in its myriad of rituals and ethical aspects, of family purity in its own ritual and social aspects, the laws of gossiping and loving our fellow Jews and respecting our fellow human beings, then we become the vessels through which Torah can be interpreted and even rethought.  The Netziv puts it in terms of the two words: “Lishmor ve’la’asot” – from Parshat Va’etchanan: We need to first be the preservers of the Torah and practice we inherit from the previous generation, then we can move on to relooking at everything with fresh, innovative eyes, and understand Torah for our generation.  When we are preservers of Torah and Torah practice, then we become safe space for God’s infinite word – we become the rightful heirs of the tradition which we are obliged to re-examine for ourselves.  Only through this rigor and commitment to Halacha, minhag (custom) and tradition can our lives reflect the living Torah which God gave us at Sinai.</p>
<p>Do we as Modern Orthodox Jews have this religious rigor in our lives? Do we have the passion?  I think we see it in the Chareidi and Yeshivish world, but we need to see it in our world.  MOREthodox &#8211; we have to be the one that are not only innovative, creative and responsive to our generation’s needs, we also have to be the ones that people can look to for all the strength that has come down to us from Moshe and Sinai. </p>
<p>I know that is an area that I work on, and perhaps in Israel our Modern Orthodox brothers and sisters do it better.  But we have to make sure that Modern Orthodoxy is not lazy Orthodoxy. If it is, we will lose our right to be the innovators of Torah and we will lose our right to redefine what a Torah Jew is in 2009.</p>
<p>Let’s go to work!</p>
<p>Asher Lopatin</p>
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		<title>Humility in Criticizing, Rabbi Asher Lopatin</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Friends, On this week of Tish’a B’av, I want to write in a different tone. Yes, I do believe firmly in working on Kiddush Hashem, and avoiding Chilul Hashem. I said my piece last week. This time I want to apologize to anyone I might have hurt by the tone of my message. In [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=207&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>On this week of Tish’a B’av, I want to write in a different tone.  Yes,  I do believe firmly in working on Kiddush Hashem, and avoiding Chilul Hashem.  I said my piece last week.  This time I want to apologize to anyone I might have hurt by the tone of my message.  In writing this blog, sometimes I fall into the trap of being sensational and YELLING my point.  But I understand, that especially when being critical of my brothers and sisters, I need to be humble and modest , avoiding any sarcasm and certainly not relishing in critique.  The truth is that if the message is right and true, it will get heard without being “in your face” and sensational.  I was happy that my ideas were picked up by many different outlets, but I feel that since it was a message of rebuke, tocheicha, I need to work harder to make sure not to feel even one shemetz – one iota – of satisfaction of taking on a community and its leadership.  I just hope that despite just being a small pulpit rabbi in Chicago, people are listening.  And I thank the Los Angeles Jewish Journal for hosting our blog, as well as Vos Iz Neis for picking up these blogs over the past week.<br />
At the same time, I am gratified that beyond the issues of Hilul Hashem and Kiddush Hashem, the invitation to Me’ah She’arim from USA Yated Neeman editor Rabbi Pinchas Lipschutz was sincere, and we have been in touch, and I look forward to meeting with him, and eventually being in Me’ah She’arim together.  This is a new relationship with a leader in the Yeshivishe world that I hope to foster, and I am grateful for it.<br />
Moreover, from the idea of the invitation to Me’ah She’arim, I am working on an Achdus Mission to Israel.  The mission should include rabbis from the spectrum of Orthodoxy, and should visit institutions and communities in Israel from the spectrum of Orthodoxy: from those in Me’ah She’arim to those in the Old City to those outside and part of Modern Orthodoxy in Israel.  There have been a lot of emails of people excited about joining such a mission, and while it seems like it will be a challenge, I believe it is doable.<br />
On the background of all the apparent Hillul Hashem of the past weeks and months – of course we don’t know who is guilty of what and to what extent and the circumstances that led to their alleged actions – I call for all of us to come together.  I know Rav Yosef called for unity of all Jews committed to Judaism, and I agree with that as well, maybe we at Morethodoxy can be a catalyst to bring Orthodoxy together and to show that world that as much as we disagree vehemently, we can come together in mutual respect, and work toward the mutual good of Torah, Shem Hashem and Am Yisrael.<br />
Perhaps, with God’s help, we are moving in the right direction as we head for the sad time when we Jews all over the world will sit together on the floor and try to find a way of “renewing our days as of old”.<br />
May this Tish’a B’av move us to a time where there won’t be any more mourning for our People, a time of appreciating for each other which we all deserve.<br />
Asher Lopatin </p>
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		<title>Gentiles and Kiddush Hashem &#8211; Rabbi Barry Gelman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Gelman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have spent the last week in Camp Moshava in Honesdale, Pennsylvania. Being here has been a real treat. Camp Moshava is a living breathing “kiddush Hashem”. One of the many outstanding aspects of my experience thus far has been the wide variety of orthodox Jews that work here. I mention Kiddush Hashem because, except [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=205&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have spent the last week in Camp Moshava in Honesdale, Pennsylvania. Being here has been a real treat. Camp Moshava is a living breathing “kiddush Hashem”. One of the many outstanding aspects of my experience thus far has been the wide variety of orthodox Jews that work here.</p>
<p>I mention Kiddush Hashem because, except for my experience here this week, my thoughts have been on the tremendous chillul Hashem created by the Rabbis arrested last week for offenses ranging form money laundering to human organ trafficking.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that the actions that these rabbis have been accused of have done enormous damage to the perception of Torah. I am deeply concerned that these actions will create doubt and cynicism in the hearts and minds of young people towards religious leadership. One way to combat these outcomes is for the Modern Orthodox community to clearly state that these actions were wrong and that the greed that led to them is not in keeping with a spiritually sensitive Judaism.</p>
<p>Rabbi Aaron Lichtenstein coined the term “glatt kosher hedonism” to refer to the belief (desire) that observant Jews can have it all. Our communities, the Modern Orthodox, pride ourselves on appreciating what is good, wholesome and spiritually fortifying in general culture. In doing so, we run the risk of letting our guard down in the pursuit of having it all. So as not to allow this tragedy to go without any positive outcome, our communities need reiterate the importance of Zniut – modesty in the way we live.</p>
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<p>I will conclude with two brief notes that were emailed to me recently in reaction to the scandal.</p>
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<p>Rabbi Riskin mentioned a number of times that when he still lived in New York and was starting his own yeshiva high school (&#8220;Mesivta Ohr Torah&#8221; in Riverdale), he interviewed 17 candidates for the job of Rosh Yeshiva.   After ascertaining all knew how to learn, he asked them, &#8220;Suppose you ordered by mail an electric shaver from Alexander&#8217;s Department Store.   And instead of one shaver being delivered, 3 shavers were delivered.   What would you do with the other two?&#8221;   Rabbi Riskin reported that sixteen of the seventeen insisted that they keep the other two shavers because stealing for a gentile is permitted.</p>
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<p>The last applicant (Rabbi Moshe Chaim Sosefsky who is now the Rosh Hayeshivah of Yeshivat Ohr Yerushalayim) insisted on returning the shaver quoting Bava Metzia Perek 2 Yerushalmi: Rabbi Shimon Ben-Shetach bought a donkey from an arab. When RSBS was removed from the seller, he noticed there was something in the saddle: a valuable diamond whose sale would have put RSBS on easy street for the rest of his life.  But RSBS insisted on returning the diamond to the arab as it would be better for the gentile to bless the G-d of Shimon Ben-Shetach than for Shimon Ben-Shetach to obtain any financial benefit such as this.</p>
<p> The following, written by Rabbi Moses ben Jacob of Coucy, authoer of the Sefer MItzvot Gadol on positive Mitzvah<strong> # </strong>74 is very timely.</p>
<p>And I have already expounded to Galus Yerushalayim in Spain (Sefarad) and the other Galuyos under Christianity (Edom), that now that the Galus has lasted too long a Jew must separate himself from the frivolities (Hevlei) of the world and grasp the seal of Ha&#8217;Kadosh Baruch Hu, which is Truth, and not lie, neither to Jews nor to non-Jews, nor to deceive them in any matter, and to sanctify ourselves even in that which is permissible to us, as it says</p>
<p>(Tzefani&#8217;a 3:13): &#8220;The remnant of Israel will not commit foul deeds nor speak falsehoods, nor will there be found in their mouths treacherous tongues.&#8221; And then, when Ha&#8217;Kadosh Baruch Hu comes to redeem us the non-Jews will say that He is just in doing so, for we are men of truth and Toras Emes is in our mouths.</p>
<p>But if we conduct ourselves towards the non-Jews with deceit (Rama&#8217;us), then they will say: &#8220;See what Ha&#8217;Kadosh Baruch Hu has done, that He has chosen as His portion thieves and cheats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Furthermore, it is written (Hoshe&#8217;a 2:25): &#8220;And I will plant them in the earth.&#8221; Why does a person plant a measure of grain in the earth? In order to cultivate several measures. So too Ha&#8217;Kadosh Baruch Hu planted Yisroel in the various lands so that converts would join us. As long as we conduct ourselves amongst them with deceit who will cling to us? And, we find that</p>
<p>Ha&#8217;Kadosh Baruch Hu was upset even by theft from evildoers, as it says(Bereishis 6:11): &#8221; And the land was filled with theft (Chamas).&#8221;</p>
<p>Further, I bring proof from the Yerushalmi Chapter Eilu Metzi&#8217;os (Halocho 5), where it says: &#8220;The elder rabbis (Rabbanan Savi&#8217;ai) bought a measure of grain from non-Jews and found within it a bundle of money. They returned it to them, and the non-Jews said: &#8216;Blessed is the G-d of the Jews.&#8217;&#8221; Many similar stories of lost items that were returned to non-Jews because of Kiddush Hashem are related there.</p>
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		<title>An Open Letter to My Chareidi Brothers and Sisters in Israel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Asher Lopatin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabosai, First I want to congratulate you for your fervor and unity in responding to those who are violating Shabbat by driving to Jerusalem on Shabbat and those who are intervening in family life in the Toldos Ahron community by treating children in the hospital when they are emaciated and weighing 7 kg at two [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=194&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabosai,<br />
First I want to congratulate you for your fervor and unity in responding to those who are violating Shabbat by driving to Jerusalem on Shabbat and those who are intervening in family life in the Toldos Ahron community by treating children in the hospital when they are emaciated and weighing 7 kg at two years old.<br />
But, secondly, I want to tell you that from a Torah True perspective your reactions are the very opposite of what you should be doing.  Your commitment to Torah and current events gave you an opportunity for a great Kiddush Hashem, and instead you have distanced thousands – if not millions – from Torah.  Didn’t you consider that Chilul Hashem B’farhesia, publicly profaning God’s name, is such a great sin that it outweighed going out on a limb to protect parking lots from cars on Shabbat, or to protect a family that really seems like it was abusing its children?  Do you think that there could never be child abuse in your community?  And was it not worth bringing an emaciated child – even you agree that he was dangerously emaciated – to one of the world’s leading hospitals for a check-up?  Do you agree that doctors’ have a role in our lives in making some physical and psychological determinations?</p>
<p>Rather than resorting to violent riots that have turned off even people sympathetic to your love for Shabbat and the integrity of the family, you should have copied God the way we are supposed to: with love and kindness – midot hachesed – the loving traits of God.  Wouldn’t it have been far more effective to have shown up at the parking lot on Shabbat with grape juice and challah rolls and offered people driving into Yerushalayim the ability to celebrate Shabbat just a little?  Had you offered them cholent and kugal, don’t you think word would have gotten out that Shabbat is a beautiful thing?  After all, these people driving into Jerusalem are choosing to spend Shabbat in the Holy City, not at the beach in Tel Aviv or Ashkelon!  We all need to think of how we can reach out to our brothers and sisters even when they are sinning in our eyes, and rather than making them park dangerously all around Jerusalem, endangering pedestrians who are not violating Shabbat, make them realize that you are willing to interrupt your Shabbat to spend some time with them!   Maybe the next time some of them would be willing to drive into Jerusalem on Friday night, spend the night in a hotel – even an Arab hotel in the Old City! – and experience a full Shabbat in Jerusalem.  Why didn’t you suggest to the city that parking overnight in Jerusalem – from Friday night till Shabbat is over – should be made free, to encourage people to drive in before Shabbat?  All these moves would have made Jerusalem, Shabbat and the religious way of life something beautiful, not ugly – God’s name would be glorified, not sullied by the dirty rubbish that you have been throwing at city workers.</p>
<p>Rather than rioting against what seems to be saving of a child’s life – piku’ach nefesh – didn’t you question for a moment what is going on?  What are the names of Chareidi organizations that protect children – and spouses – from abuse?  The Chareidi community in America has such organizations which serve the entire Jewish community – have you set up yours?  I haven’t seen them involved or consulted.  No, instead of blaming Hadassah hospital, the doctors and the media of a conspiracy, maybe you should begin a process of coming clean and accepting that domestic abuse occurs in all types of communities – from the most religious to the most secular, Jewish and non-Jewish.  And that sometimes the police and the authorities have to be brought in to protect children and spouses. That would be the appropriate response, one that would be a Kiddush Hashem, which would win the respect of Jews and non-Jews for Torah and for Judaism.<br />
My brothers and sisters in the Chareidi community: God’s name is not sanctified by you showing how much political muscle you have to close parking lots, to maintain the ‘status quo’, or to show that you can do whatever you like to your kids without the authorities intervening: that’s not the way to sanctify God’s name, or even your name.  The way to Kiddush Hashem is for all of us to place God and God’s kindness above our own agendas, and to show that we are willing to sacrifice even your own serenity on Shabbat, our own control over our families, in order to protect the weak and make God’s name something beautiful and desirable, not something which people cannot run away from fast enough.</p>
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		<title>A Vacation From Ideology &#8211; Rabbi Barry Gelman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Gelman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am on vacation in New York and whenever I visit New York I try to make time to visit my favorite Jewish book store, Biegeleisen. You see, I am a seforim junkie and I must get my fix every year. To my mind there is no better dealer that the good people of Biegeleisen.  [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=morethodoxy.org&#038;blog=7825608&#038;post=170&#038;subd=morethodoxjudaism&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">I am on vacation in New York and whenever I visit New York I try to make time to visit my favorite Jewish book store, Biegeleisen. You see, I am a seforim junkie and I must get my fix every year. To my mind there is no better dealer that the good people of Biegeleisen. </p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;min-height:15px;margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">WARNING: Do not confuse Biegeleisen with a Judaica store for there are no fancy havdallah sets, no cookbooks and no jewish music for sale there. Beigeleisen is seforim only (almost all hebrew with a few englsih books floating around).</p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;min-height:15px;margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">The store is located in Borough Park, Brooklyn, a well known chareidi community. The streets are lined with kosher food stores, clothing stores for women with clothes that meet the modesty standards of that community and many yeshivot and shteibels (small one room synagogues).</p>
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<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">Sometime visiting communities like Borough Park makes me feel like I am on a different planet. The ways and customs of that place are so different in so many fundamentally important ways from those that I and my community practice. I have often felt bad about this reality and naively hoped that it could be different. Sort of my own little, “can&#8217;t we all just get along” dream. </p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;min-height:15px;margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">For some reason this year&#8217;s pilgrimage to my seforim mecca left me feeling differently.<span id="more-170"></span> This year I had the luxury of visiting the store on may own. Translated, this means that I could spend as much time there as I wanted. My unrestricted time also allowed me to talk to the store keeper about what was new in the Jewish book world. I also spent time “talking seforim” with some of the other shoppers.</p>
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<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">No doubt I was the only one there wearing crocks, the only only there without a beard and the only one not in “yeshivish” uniform (dark pants, white shirt). These distinctions were obvious; what was also obvious was our shared love of Torah and interest in the latest and greatest in seforim publishing.</p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;min-height:15px;margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">We also spoke about our various communities and I tutored them on the nuances and unique aspects of living in an Orthodox community outside of the main Jewish centers of population</p>
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<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">To be sure, these conversations did not breach some of the key issues that separate Modern Orthodoxy from Chareidi Orthodoxy, and I am sure that there is much that we would have disagreed about. However,  I did leave feeling that the others in that store were my brothers (and sisters..yes, there were even some women in the store, a rare occurrence there) and that there are issues that we can connect and agree on.</p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;min-height:15px;margin:0;"> </p>
<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">This encounter reminded me of something very important for us Modern Orthodox jews to remember. We are quick to try and find common ground with those to our left as we try to build cross denominational relationships. We sit on boards of rabbis, join in panel discussions and often go out of our way to show how respectful we are to reform and conservative Judaism and Jews. We should be expending the same efforts and energy toward creating bonds of kinship with those on our right.</p>
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<p style="font:12px Times New Roman;margin:0;">Good stuff to think about during the three weeks&#8230;.</p>
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