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		<title>Comment on Sen. Santorum and the Orthodox Vote    by R. Yosef Kanefsky by Eli Leiter</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/22/sen-santorum-and-the-orthodox-vote-by-r-yosef-kanefsky/#comment-3087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eli Leiter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 01:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on.I&#039;m tired of the right wing pandering to the orthodox on abortion and gay rights. The torah has far more to say on protecting the poor and weak than it does about abortion or homosexuality so when I hear people who do not care about the poor I&#039;m not interested in their other positions]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on.I&#8217;m tired of the right wing pandering to the orthodox on abortion and gay rights. The torah has far more to say on protecting the poor and weak than it does about abortion or homosexuality so when I hear people who do not care about the poor I&#8217;m not interested in their other positions</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts about death and living life -by Rabbi Hyim Shafner by Thoughts about death and living life &#171; The World of Pastoral and Spiritual care</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/23/thoughts-about-death-and-living-life-by-rabbi-hyim-shafner/#comment-3086</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thoughts about death and living life &#171; The World of Pastoral and Spiritual care]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Here is a meditation on the question of how we are living our lives.  The story quotation revolves around a quote from one of the most unique of the Hasidic rebbes.  It is written from a Jewish perspective, but I think the theme and question are quite universal.  Can we say that the way we live our lives is the way we would live if we knew we were dying?  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here is a meditation on the question of how we are living our lives.  The story quotation revolves around a quote from one of the most unique of the Hasidic rebbes.  It is written from a Jewish perspective, but I think the theme and question are quite universal.  Can we say that the way we live our lives is the way we would live if we knew we were dying?  [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sen. Santorum and the Orthodox Vote    by R. Yosef Kanefsky by chaim</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/22/sen-santorum-and-the-orthodox-vote-by-r-yosef-kanefsky/#comment-3083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chaim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to argue with the article, I agree with most points, but how is Jewish law opposed to Santorum&#039;s abortion view?  Abortion for non-Jews (&quot;ben-noach&quot;) is prohibited across the  board.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to argue with the article, I agree with most points, but how is Jewish law opposed to Santorum&#8217;s abortion view?  Abortion for non-Jews (&#8220;ben-noach&#8221;) is prohibited across the  board.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sen. Santorum and the Orthodox Vote    by R. Yosef Kanefsky by Dr. Peter Geidel</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/22/sen-santorum-and-the-orthodox-vote-by-r-yosef-kanefsky/#comment-3080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Peter Geidel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 03:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your nuanced piece. We should also be aware that Santorum has stated that there should always be a &quot;Jesus candidate&quot; in every election, and that his tax return revealed that he gave less than 2% of his income to charity, not the epitome of tzedakah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your nuanced piece. We should also be aware that Santorum has stated that there should always be a &#8220;Jesus candidate&#8221; in every election, and that his tax return revealed that he gave less than 2% of his income to charity, not the epitome of tzedakah.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guest Post by Rabbi Seth Winberg by Garnel Ironheart</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/14/guest-post-by-rabbi-seth-winberg/#comment-3056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garnel Ironheart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that Rav Linzer came close to making a really good point but stopped just short.
There is certainly some onus on women to participatae in not creating uncomfortable situations for men.  But in the end the man is responsible for looking away.  What, am I forbidden from walking down the street of my city which is in golus because scantily clad women might walk past?  I have a responsibility to look away even if the local women don&#039;t feel a responsibility to dress appropriately.  God, in His infinite wisdom, will judge me according to my actions and them according to theirs.  If I want to walk on the street staring in any direction I choose and then shout &quot;sinners&quot; at those who offend me, then I am worrying more about their cheshbon then mine which is quite wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that Rav Linzer came close to making a really good point but stopped just short.<br />
There is certainly some onus on women to participatae in not creating uncomfortable situations for men.  But in the end the man is responsible for looking away.  What, am I forbidden from walking down the street of my city which is in golus because scantily clad women might walk past?  I have a responsibility to look away even if the local women don&#8217;t feel a responsibility to dress appropriately.  God, in His infinite wisdom, will judge me according to my actions and them according to theirs.  If I want to walk on the street staring in any direction I choose and then shout &#8220;sinners&#8221; at those who offend me, then I am worrying more about their cheshbon then mine which is quite wrong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gendered Expectations and the  Experience of Children, Guest Post by Dr. Alan Krinsky by Garnel Ironheart</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/17/gendered-expectations-and-the-experience-of-children-guest-post-by-dr-alan-krinsky/#comment-3055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garnel Ironheart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Or, do boys and girls alike learn from this and other words and practices that men are better than women in an essential sense?

Boys and girls up to a certain age equate anger with hate.  You get mad with them and they really feel that your love for them is gone.  Does that make their feeling valid?  

Boys and girls up to a certain age don&#039;t understand that inequality does not mean better vs worse.  Heck, many adults don&#039;t get it.  The onus is therefore on educators to ensure that at the correct developmental point this is what is communicated to the children.  But allowing incompletely developed intellects to guide halachic behaviour?  Are you serious?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Or, do boys and girls alike learn from this and other words and practices that men are better than women in an essential sense?</p>
<p>Boys and girls up to a certain age equate anger with hate.  You get mad with them and they really feel that your love for them is gone.  Does that make their feeling valid?  </p>
<p>Boys and girls up to a certain age don&#8217;t understand that inequality does not mean better vs worse.  Heck, many adults don&#8217;t get it.  The onus is therefore on educators to ensure that at the correct developmental point this is what is communicated to the children.  But allowing incompletely developed intellects to guide halachic behaviour?  Are you serious?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gendered Expectations and the  Experience of Children, Guest Post by Dr. Alan Krinsky by mike</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/17/gendered-expectations-and-the-experience-of-children-guest-post-by-dr-alan-krinsky/#comment-3045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are children really even aware of this stuff? At most shuls you have to arrive early and be paying real good attention to even notice the opening blessings (such as shelo asani isha).  And I would imagine that&#039;s even more true for minyans in day schools. So I would guess that most children don&#039;t even know this blessing even exists. Am I underestimating them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are children really even aware of this stuff? At most shuls you have to arrive early and be paying real good attention to even notice the opening blessings (such as shelo asani isha).  And I would imagine that&#8217;s even more true for minyans in day schools. So I would guess that most children don&#8217;t even know this blessing even exists. Am I underestimating them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gendered Expectations and the  Experience of Children, Guest Post by Dr. Alan Krinsky by ruth</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/17/gendered-expectations-and-the-experience-of-children-guest-post-by-dr-alan-krinsky/#comment-3036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i hate those words, they make me feel sick in the stomach. obviously it makes most people think that women are garbage and according to the way so many men act in the religious world they get the message that we women are lower than them. beat us up, now dont even want us to walk on the same street as them, here in jerusalem where i live.

i am not interested in hearing that they are the minority. that makes no difference. they are thugs in religious clothing and i have seen to much violence and been attacked myself. its disgusting.anything that feeds the feeling that men are able to dishonour their women should be thrown out now. i like many women am a battered wife and  these words just make me want to be ill.

next what about the rights of  children to far more basic things, like the right to be protected from pedophiles in the community. and i am right in the centre of the nachlaot pedophiles who walk outside my house looking for new victims and are protected by our corrupt legal system.why does the jewish world avoid dealing with this.???? 

i will not forgive or forget, we are talking about babies and tiny tots here. why are you(not you personally the collective you)  not writing about them and turning the world upside down for their rights or is it just my job. no problem i will continue but everyone is going to give an answer about their silence one day and if you cant answer a jewish mama how will you answer to hashem.??? just asking 

what about the rabbi&#039;s protecting the perverts? or taking bribes to accept them into the community? or telling the parents to shut up?the haradim here whose children have been raped horribly and i am not one of them obviously, hate the words lashon hara and modesty. all the words,blessings that encourage violence to our children and that criminals hide behind  should be stopped

and why are wicked perverts allowed in mikvas and bet knesset. maybe you can write about these things if it bothers you the way it bothers us. but then who is listening. the rabbi&#039;s are far too busy with being famous peacocks or splitting words to bother with the real issues - like saving lives of the most innocent 

disgusted in jerusalem
the unholy me in the holy city
ruth cohen harif

by the way my maiden name was also krinsky, my saba was pinchas krinsky from poland. wonder if we are related

anyway thanks for writing this at all. about time the issue is addressed and have a great shabbat and spread the word we must save the children. and some of the most dangerous perverts from  here are back in the usa so your children are in new danger again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate those words, they make me feel sick in the stomach. obviously it makes most people think that women are garbage and according to the way so many men act in the religious world they get the message that we women are lower than them. beat us up, now dont even want us to walk on the same street as them, here in jerusalem where i live.</p>
<p>i am not interested in hearing that they are the minority. that makes no difference. they are thugs in religious clothing and i have seen to much violence and been attacked myself. its disgusting.anything that feeds the feeling that men are able to dishonour their women should be thrown out now. i like many women am a battered wife and  these words just make me want to be ill.</p>
<p>next what about the rights of  children to far more basic things, like the right to be protected from pedophiles in the community. and i am right in the centre of the nachlaot pedophiles who walk outside my house looking for new victims and are protected by our corrupt legal system.why does the jewish world avoid dealing with this.???? </p>
<p>i will not forgive or forget, we are talking about babies and tiny tots here. why are you(not you personally the collective you)  not writing about them and turning the world upside down for their rights or is it just my job. no problem i will continue but everyone is going to give an answer about their silence one day and if you cant answer a jewish mama how will you answer to hashem.??? just asking </p>
<p>what about the rabbi&#8217;s protecting the perverts? or taking bribes to accept them into the community? or telling the parents to shut up?the haradim here whose children have been raped horribly and i am not one of them obviously, hate the words lashon hara and modesty. all the words,blessings that encourage violence to our children and that criminals hide behind  should be stopped</p>
<p>and why are wicked perverts allowed in mikvas and bet knesset. maybe you can write about these things if it bothers you the way it bothers us. but then who is listening. the rabbi&#8217;s are far too busy with being famous peacocks or splitting words to bother with the real issues &#8211; like saving lives of the most innocent </p>
<p>disgusted in jerusalem<br />
the unholy me in the holy city<br />
ruth cohen harif</p>
<p>by the way my maiden name was also krinsky, my saba was pinchas krinsky from poland. wonder if we are related</p>
<p>anyway thanks for writing this at all. about time the issue is addressed and have a great shabbat and spread the word we must save the children. and some of the most dangerous perverts from  here are back in the usa so your children are in new danger again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gendered Expectations and the  Experience of Children, Guest Post by Dr. Alan Krinsky by Toby Katz</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/17/gendered-expectations-and-the-experience-of-children-guest-post-by-dr-alan-krinsky/#comment-3034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toby Katz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://tinyurl.com/7nez7nx

Women want to look up to men, you cannot change human nature no matter how hard you try.  You can, however, create a cadre of women for whom no man is ever good enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/7nez7nx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/7nez7nx</a></p>
<p>Women want to look up to men, you cannot change human nature no matter how hard you try.  You can, however, create a cadre of women for whom no man is ever good enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guest Post by Rabbi Seth Winberg by rachel</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2012/02/14/guest-post-by-rabbi-seth-winberg/#comment-3030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I appreciate the substantive engagement with this issue, Winberg&#039;s response to Magid misses the forest for trees. Magid&#039;s major--and important--point is that the Talmud and Jewish law/tradition (that is, what follows from the talmud over multiple centuries -- perhaps he wasn&#039;t clear enough for Winberg on that point) is, at heart, a misogynistic text. This isn&#039;t shocking, given when it was written and compiled. But it is often glossed over or, worse, refused to be acknowledged. 

Winberg ducks Magid&#039;s major point: &quot;To instantiate your [Linzer&#039;s] reading of the Talmud would require you to act decisively to abolish all the legal mandates that objectify women’s bodies and put the onus on the men to take full control of their libido and desire.&quot; Winberg wants to dismiss this by claiming that &quot;Surely Professor Magid realizes that an Orthodox rosh yeshiva is not going to abrogate normative halakhah on the basis of a pattern of attitudes regarding modesty.&quot; Really? From where does normative halakhah come? Last I checked the Talmud, and centuries of interpretation, codification, and responsa based on both the specific law and &quot;patterns of attitudes&quot; in the Talmud. Even if the mechitzah isn&#039;t Talmudic per se, the enforcement of it takes on the authority of Talmud. And if non-Talmudic matters should be of no concern to Magid, why shouldn&#039;t Winberg and Linzer call for the abolition of the mechitzah or make kol isha a non-issue? Responsa looks at &quot;patterns of attitudes&quot; as much as it looks at the law itself. If you can&#039;t take those &quot;patterns of attitudes&quot; seriously (which Winbergs language suggests he can&#039;t), then it&#039;s very easy to overlook and thus validate misogyny. Try taking Magid seriously and looking at the legal infrastructure and codes of the Talmud. Do you really not see misogyny? Are women really treated with respect?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate the substantive engagement with this issue, Winberg&#8217;s response to Magid misses the forest for trees. Magid&#8217;s major&#8211;and important&#8211;point is that the Talmud and Jewish law/tradition (that is, what follows from the talmud over multiple centuries &#8212; perhaps he wasn&#8217;t clear enough for Winberg on that point) is, at heart, a misogynistic text. This isn&#8217;t shocking, given when it was written and compiled. But it is often glossed over or, worse, refused to be acknowledged. </p>
<p>Winberg ducks Magid&#8217;s major point: &#8220;To instantiate your [Linzer's] reading of the Talmud would require you to act decisively to abolish all the legal mandates that objectify women’s bodies and put the onus on the men to take full control of their libido and desire.&#8221; Winberg wants to dismiss this by claiming that &#8220;Surely Professor Magid realizes that an Orthodox rosh yeshiva is not going to abrogate normative halakhah on the basis of a pattern of attitudes regarding modesty.&#8221; Really? From where does normative halakhah come? Last I checked the Talmud, and centuries of interpretation, codification, and responsa based on both the specific law and &#8220;patterns of attitudes&#8221; in the Talmud. Even if the mechitzah isn&#8217;t Talmudic per se, the enforcement of it takes on the authority of Talmud. And if non-Talmudic matters should be of no concern to Magid, why shouldn&#8217;t Winberg and Linzer call for the abolition of the mechitzah or make kol isha a non-issue? Responsa looks at &#8220;patterns of attitudes&#8221; as much as it looks at the law itself. If you can&#8217;t take those &#8220;patterns of attitudes&#8221; seriously (which Winbergs language suggests he can&#8217;t), then it&#8217;s very easy to overlook and thus validate misogyny. Try taking Magid seriously and looking at the legal infrastructure and codes of the Talmud. Do you really not see misogyny? Are women really treated with respect?</p>
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