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	<title>Comments on: Can Orthodoxy get better market share? PART 2</title>
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		<title>By: RyanP</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2009/11/25/can-orthodoxy-get-better-market-share-part-2/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,  Thanks for the response. Your point is obvious, that&#039;s why I&#039;m interested in the website, i.e. in order to access the halachic Judaism of Eliezer Berkovits, Rabbi Hirschensohn, or even David Hartman,just drop a few names. 

However, I posed a number of questions in response to a series of articles by Rabbi Kanefsky about expanding market share of Orthodoxy. Your response does not engage on any of my questions, but merely rehashes the reasons we are both interested in this project to begin with.

The intent of my post is to throw up some issues or obstacles which I see in Orthodoxy expanding market share as articulated in Rabbi Kanefsky&#039;s post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,  Thanks for the response. Your point is obvious, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m interested in the website, i.e. in order to access the halachic Judaism of Eliezer Berkovits, Rabbi Hirschensohn, or even David Hartman,just drop a few names. </p>
<p>However, I posed a number of questions in response to a series of articles by Rabbi Kanefsky about expanding market share of Orthodoxy. Your response does not engage on any of my questions, but merely rehashes the reasons we are both interested in this project to begin with.</p>
<p>The intent of my post is to throw up some issues or obstacles which I see in Orthodoxy expanding market share as articulated in Rabbi Kanefsky&#8217;s post</p>
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		<title>By: Making Sure Jewdaism is Fair -By Rabbi Hyim Shafner &#171; Morethodoxy: Exploring the Breadth, Depth and Passion of Orthodox Judaism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Making Sure Jewdaism is Fair -By Rabbi Hyim Shafner &#171; Morethodoxy: Exploring the Breadth, Depth and Passion of Orthodox Judaism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] enough room for women&#8217;s voices makes orthodoxy not only less palatable but less inspiring http://morethodoxy.org/2009/11/25/can-orthodoxy-get-better-market-share-part-2/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] enough room for women&#8217;s voices makes orthodoxy not only less palatable but less inspiring <a href="http://morethodoxy.org/2009/11/25/can-orthodoxy-get-better-market-share-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://morethodoxy.org/2009/11/25/can-orthodoxy-get-better-market-share-part-2/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Sher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, your point is very interesting, but I think it misses the main point.  Ronald Reagan once said that it wasn&#039;t that he left the Democratic party, it was that the Democratic party left him.  As the RWO adopt ever more stringent standards, it is they who are moving the bar to the right.  What this blog is merely saying is that there is a Halachik approach to Judaism that doesn&#039;t require every decision to be the strictest one possible and that this might be attractive to Jews in other movements who would appreciated a committed and attractive alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, your point is very interesting, but I think it misses the main point.  Ronald Reagan once said that it wasn&#8217;t that he left the Democratic party, it was that the Democratic party left him.  As the RWO adopt ever more stringent standards, it is they who are moving the bar to the right.  What this blog is merely saying is that there is a Halachik approach to Judaism that doesn&#8217;t require every decision to be the strictest one possible and that this might be attractive to Jews in other movements who would appreciated a committed and attractive alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: RyanP</title>
		<link>http://morethodoxy.org/2009/11/25/can-orthodoxy-get-better-market-share-part-2/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>RyanP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This arouses many questions:

(1) Who is the marginal you member you are after? This reads more like strategy to decapitate the intellectual top of the Conservative movement, which is numerically quite small.
(2) Let’s assume some people switch from Reform, Reconstructionist, Conservative or whatever to Orthodoxy on the basis of the principles you are articulating. What kind of relationship can they possibly have to mainstream and right-wing Orthodoxy? Hyphenated Orthodoxy is still Orthodoxy. But how do you expect them to embrace hyphenated Orthodoxy if their views are marginalized or simply rejected as heretical by many Orthodox Jews? Are you dropping intra-Orthodox solidarity as a prerequisite for the new adherent and the new movement?
(3) Movement / denomination:  It would seem readily apparent that not all of Orthodoxy will sign on to this agenda, and that it is already creating a rift in Orthodoxy. Question: How much of a movement will the additional member have who comes to Orthodoxy or Morethodoxy as an ardent adherent to the principles you are articulating? And, to what extent will the rest of the Orthodox world regard such a movement as Orthodox? In other words, why would an intellectual Conservative Jew leave his movement to join a small marginal movement, which is viewed with hostility by the very peers (mainstream and right-wing) that it espouses to be a part of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This arouses many questions:</p>
<p>(1) Who is the marginal you member you are after? This reads more like strategy to decapitate the intellectual top of the Conservative movement, which is numerically quite small.<br />
(2) Let’s assume some people switch from Reform, Reconstructionist, Conservative or whatever to Orthodoxy on the basis of the principles you are articulating. What kind of relationship can they possibly have to mainstream and right-wing Orthodoxy? Hyphenated Orthodoxy is still Orthodoxy. But how do you expect them to embrace hyphenated Orthodoxy if their views are marginalized or simply rejected as heretical by many Orthodox Jews? Are you dropping intra-Orthodox solidarity as a prerequisite for the new adherent and the new movement?<br />
(3) Movement / denomination:  It would seem readily apparent that not all of Orthodoxy will sign on to this agenda, and that it is already creating a rift in Orthodoxy. Question: How much of a movement will the additional member have who comes to Orthodoxy or Morethodoxy as an ardent adherent to the principles you are articulating? And, to what extent will the rest of the Orthodox world regard such a movement as Orthodox? In other words, why would an intellectual Conservative Jew leave his movement to join a small marginal movement, which is viewed with hostility by the very peers (mainstream and right-wing) that it espouses to be a part of?</p>
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